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2004 Dodge Stratus 2.7L V6 limited to 2500 RPM
02-07-2017, 12:52 AM
Post: #11
RE: 2004 Dodge Stratus 2.7L V6 limited to 2500 RPM
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02-07-2017, 07:37 AM
Post: #12
RE: 2004 Dodge Stratus 2.7L V6 limited to 2500 RPM
OK, I had some time to look at those codes. To repeat what Rupe stated, these codes should be properly cleared with a scan tool and start fresh with new codes. That said, these codes do seem relevant to your problem. The O2 sensor code is likely being caused by an injector problem. And the injector is likely the cause of your miss.

The P0700 Transmission code is a generic code, basically saying that the scan too isn't capable of reading the transmission. A dead battery or unhooking the battery is cause enough for this code because the system needs re-learned. When voltage is removed from the transmission controller it looses stored information on the condition of the transmission. There is also a "Pinion Factor" reset on that transmission. That setting matches the tire size to the transmission speed sensors. So if you are not running the original size of tires the pinion factor should be changed too. I know that this isn't really relevant to your engine miss, but I have done many 606 and 604 transaxle rebuilds simply because another mechanic worked on some other issue and never re-programmed the transaxle. You are at risk of this because you have an Auto Zone guy telling you to unhook your battery to clear codes. As Rupe stated, that only worked on OBD-I computers. Your computer is OBD-II. So if that transmission shop you spoke of is even slightly up on their Chryslers, they will know what to do. And even if they don't know how to fix the engine, I would think that they could at least get the proper code numbers for us. Again; as Rupe stated, that may take 2 trips to them. The first trip they can clear the old codes and re-learn the transaxle. The 2nd trip they can read the new codes.

I hope this doesn't get too confusing or frustrating for you. It probably isn't as complicated as it sounds. Like the Transaxle Re-learn procedure...if the transaxle is already warm, like if they do it as soon as you drive into the shop, it only takes about 2 minutes after hooking up the scanner. Pinion factoring is another 2 minutes. Also being polite and friendly can save you money. We used to charge $45.00/scan. But a really nice guy that said he was trying to learn and was going to need a couple of scans, we usually would cut a break. I can't promise your local shop will, but it can't hurt to be very polite and friendly.

Sorry for all the Blah, Blah, Blah, but it seems like you are the type of guy who wants to understand his car. I hope this information helps. Rupe will likely be more help on the engine.

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02-07-2017, 10:58 AM
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RE: 2004 Dodge Stratus 2.7L V6 limited to 2500 RPM
That's a pretty impressive scan tool considering what's out there these days. Both Garner and myself have been using the old tech stuff that costs a fortune, but truth be told a shop tends to lean that way because it's time tested for abuse in a shop. (probably drop tested as well) OTOH, it's also limited by factory updates, where as the newer tools are designed to be user updated for next to nothing. If you are good with a tablet, iPhone, or lap-top, this seems to be the wave of the future, especially the ability to get into those other system codes. In the case of Mopar you'd need to research if it's got the ability to re-learn the trany too... and that would make it perfect for you.
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02-08-2017, 10:22 PM
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RE: 2004 Dodge Stratus 2.7L V6 limited to 2500 RPM
That did look like a very impressive scan tool, and it is. However, that appears to be all that it is. I did a lot of reading about it and it doesn't seem to be able to use any control functions. I can do Quick Learn, Pinion Factor, Power Brake Bleed, activate solenoids, operate the wipers, horn, heater, etc., all from my scanner. The Bluedriver doesn't have any of those functions as far as I can tell. So it would be a great diagnosis tool, but not to great for what I use one for. I can see potential where they may upgrade it to have all the functions of a full scan tool. But if they do I would bet the price goes up exponentially due to all of the licensing fees from the auto manufacturers.

Very cool tool! Thanks for making us aware of it.

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02-09-2017, 06:05 PM
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RE: 2004 Dodge Stratus 2.7L V6 limited to 2500 RPM
Rupe & Garner,

I ordered the BlueDriver scanner and I expect to receive it by Saturday of this weekend. It was only $99.00 and will at least FREE ME from having to drive to AutoZone or O'Reilly and wait for someone to scan it for me, then tell me they can not clear the codes with their scanner. I waited a full 30 minutes last time, after spending $60 in the store while waiting. The features seem pretty good for what I need for my First Scanner. Scanning & clearing codes will be very helpful, plus there are other help features that may be good. No doubt, future upgrades will cost money but with this device & App there seems to be no limit to future improvements or pay-to-upgrade features.

I appreciate all of your time & effort on my behalf. It may be a while before I post an update because I have the charging system / battery to fix first, then a trip or two (2) to the Trans Shop. Your post on non-standard tires got my attention because my daughter bought a set of oversized wheels and low profile tires. I will ask the Trans Shop about reprogramming the transaxle for the larger tires. Then back to work with my scanner & troubleshooting efforts.

As I learn from you guys about MOPAR specifics, I can't help but be even more disappointed in my Bad Experience with service at the Chrysler Dealer. One good thing I have to report about them is that I had a long talk with the Service Manager and he agreed to refund $320.00 of their charges. Even he had to agree that they did almost nothing for me for the $450.00 they charged.

If the fuel injector or injectors are bad, as we suspect. that could also have overloaded the Catalytic Converter and ended it's life at 204k miles. I will check that too, but after the Trans Shop visits.

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02-18-2017, 11:21 AM
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RE: 2004 Dodge Stratus 2.7L V6 limited to 2500 RPM
I am just checking in to hear if there are any new developments? Any new codes to report?

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02-18-2017, 11:30 AM (This post was last modified: 02-18-2017 11:37 AM by Steve 227.)
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RE: 2004 Dodge Stratus 2.7L V6 limited to 2500 RPM
(02-18-2017 11:21 AM)Garner Wrote:  I am just checking in to hear if there are any new developments? Any new codes to report?

Thanks, Garner

I put a new 5 year battery in and cleared all the codes with my new BlueDriver scanner. Drove it around for 30 minutes and checked codes again. Only the DTC shown on the attached report returned. After clearing the code again it came back immediately. I am trying to find time to do the diagnosis for all possible causes.

I came across a bulletin from Chrysler about a problem they have had with the seals at the PCM connectors. I will check with Chrysler to see if they are still checking and repairing that for free. See attached.

I have to travel for work this weekend or I would do the work now.


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02-18-2017, 11:46 AM
Post: #18
RE: 2004 Dodge Stratus 2.7L V6 limited to 2500 RPM
So all signs still point to the injector. The first thing that I would do is to follow the wires from the injector back to the computer. Anywhere there is a connector you should separate it, check for corrosion or damage, clean it, and put it back together. I like to add a small amount of dielectric grease. As you follow the wires look for anywhere they may have rubbed through, melted on a hot exhaust, or pulled apart. Make any repairs along the way. If you do this and the problem still exists you likely need a new injector or the ECM has failed. There are test procedures to follow to figure out what one you need.

I am also curious as to whether you had the transmission Relearned and Pinion Factored? I'm pretty convinced that this has nothing to do with the miss. But I would hate to hear that you burned up the transmission while driving it around test driving.

How do you like the BlueDriver?

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02-24-2017, 09:24 PM (This post was last modified: 02-24-2017 10:09 PM by Steve 227.)
Post: #19
RE: 2004 Dodge Stratus 2.7L V6 limited to 2500 RPM
I LOVE the BlueDrive & I carry it around in my jacket pocket to show it off to my friends. Great features for $100 on my first scanner!

I talked to a Chrysler Rep. today and they said the date of manufacture was September 2003 and the Free Service Range of dates ended in August, 2003. My VIN sticker is painted over on the car so I tried to look the date up on the internet with no luck. I found everything but the date it was made! I had hoped to get Chrysler to check the wiring to PCM connections for me and MAYBE get a free PCM and wiring. My VIN is in my first post on this thread, so if you know how to look up the manufacture date, please let me know.

The wiring from #2 injector to the PCM checked out fine, both visually and with a continuity tester. I started checking all the electrical connectors and found some corrosion so I bought a giant can of spray cleaner and some small brushes. Working my way thru that now. I plan to put a little di-electric grease on the connections too.

As for checking the fuel injector #2, I am leaning towards buying a new one rather than swapping them to see if the problem moves with the injector. Taking that big plastic air intake plenum off is a pain & I'm concerned it may crack since it is 13 years old.

AMAZING how all those other DTCs disappeared with a NEW BATTERY! I will get the trans work done after I resolve the injector / PCM dilemma because the inspection instructions call for disconnecting the battery.

Thanks again for all your help!


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02-24-2017, 11:26 PM
Post: #20
RE: 2004 Dodge Stratus 2.7L V6 limited to 2500 RPM
BTW, I have been to many of the "VIN verification" sites and bottom line is production date will vary by the number of vehicles they can produce in the course of a month and only shows up in the part where "serial number" (sequence of production) is a factor. IOW, it's just not available directly from the VIN like so many other tid bits of info. Everything else in a VIN is there, from country of origin, powertrain options, to final assembly plant.

On the service bulletin attachment, that's more commonly known as a good will gesture. IOW, not a recall, and may or may not be a warranty item, but usually done on "younger" cars as a way of extending the warranty without actually saying as much. I started seeing them in the mid 70s and typically they included an inspection of a possible problem, a (usually) simple repair, and a judgement call on anything beyond that. The idea was to "buy" customer loyalty and avoid law suits with a (possible) quick fix, a hand shake, and a smile..... no charge. If we were back in 2005 you might have a shot at someone stretching things, but we're a LONG time beyond that point now.
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