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1996 Eagle Vision Problems staying running then starting after dying
12-23-2008, 02:36 AM
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1996 Eagle Vision Problems staying running then starting after dying
I have a 1996 Eagle Vision with the 3.3 liter engine, 170,000 miles with an automatic trans. My husband is a mechanic with the state of Mississippi. He does not shade tree. The car started just dying while I was driving but it would start right back. He installed a fuel pump. However, this did not fix the problem. (Meanwhile the car started not starting back soon.) So he installed both a cam and crank sensor. The problem got worse. He then installed a coil pack. This did not fix the problem. He has given up and taken the car to a local shop that has diagnostic equipment. The diagnostic equipment shot codes saying crank and cam malfunction. The original crank and cam sensors were replaced one at a time. They found a burnt plug-in on the ignition switch. This was replaced but did not solve the problem. The car will crank and run beautifully for a while until it dies. It won't start back until it is ready. What could be the problem?
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12-23-2008, 12:39 PM
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RE: 1996 Eagle Vision Problems staying running then starting after dying
You have to put a finger on what's missing when it dies. Fuel, spark, etc.

Also get the shop to clear all of the old codes so anything new will stand out next time you have a problem.

BTW, next time it dies try opening the gas cap to see if excess vacuum within the tank may be starving it for fuel even though everything else is working. I have seen more than one bad gas cap in my life but these days you can'y drive around with the cap off because that will set another code.
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12-23-2008, 10:31 PM
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RE: 1996 Eagle Vision Problems staying running then starting after dying
Rupe Wrote:You have to put a finger on what's missing when it dies. Fuel, spark, etc.

Also get the shop to clear all of the old codes so anything new will stand out next time you have a problem.

BTW, next time it dies try opening the gas cap to see if excess vacuum within the tank may be starving it for fuel even though everything else is working. I have seen more than one bad gas cap in my life but these days you can'y drive around with the cap off because that will set another code.
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12-23-2008, 10:39 PM
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RE: 1996 Eagle Vision Problems staying running then starting after dying
The guy at the shop my husband took it to admits he has no idea what is wrong with the car and is reluctant to answer questions. I think he was insulted that I went online to the auto forums. After practically pulling teeth, he did say there was no spark or injector pulse when the car won't start. Don't know if he actually checked these things. I don't have as much confidence in them as my husband seems to. Anyway, they supposedly tried an ASDswitch on the reccomendation of the local Chrysler dealership. They said it didn't fix it either. All I managed to get out of the guy is that the car starts when it wants to and dies when it wants to. There are no special conditions....hot, cold notta. I think he is just wanting to do quick money jobs and this is going to take some time. Any suggestions would be helpful!!! Also, he did say something about the cruise and check engine lights coming on when the car won't start.
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12-23-2008, 10:59 PM
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RE: 1996 Eagle Vision Problems staying running then starting after dying
As much as I hate to say it this is where an experienced dealer mechanic / shop comes into play because even though they may seem expensive via the hourly rate they have a knack for knowing the car better and therefore fixing it quicker in the long run.

One thing I learmed at a dealer years ago was certain quirks of particular vehicles are worth their weight in gold, especially when they get to be a bit older. (in your case it's 13 years now)

What I'm driving at is we (here) and your local mechanic can cover every base when it comes to theory, which is usually fine MOST of the time but the long time dealer shop will know about the odd ball bad ground or burned harness under dash, under the carpet, tucked away where you can't see it. Perhaps there's an old service bulletin covering a similar issue? They also have the car in front of them and might notice something that was damaged years ago and has only recently become a problem. They remember what it was supposed to be like when it was new and will likely notice something unusual sooner.

Back to the problem at hand, no spark and injector pulse is a start but we need to know if the power or ground are intermittent to these units. Can the problem be duplicated in the shop?

Of course you are not working on the car so these are just questions to ponder.
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12-30-2008, 04:30 AM
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RE: 1996 Eagle Vision Problems staying running then starting after dying
Thanks. We are still trying to "find" the problem. As I mentioned, my husband is a mecahnic (supervisor) for the DOT (because of two types of arthritis, he is unable to work on the car himself.) We have been in touch with the local dealership and have discussed taking it there. Being a mechanic himself, he really tries to give the mecahnic (in this case) time to locate the problem. I am the impatient one. We have decided that if he (the mechanic) has no news by Wednesday, we are taking it to the dealership. They will have had the car for 3 weeks. It is also my major mode of transportation. I will pass on this information to him and see what he says. AND I will keep you posted of any new "developments," especially if we find the problem.
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