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coolant problem
01-07-2014, 08:34 PM
Post: #11
RE: coolant problem
Will do Rupe . I got after that Sable today and it is looking like a difficult fix from above. I still cannot get a good look at where it is actually leaking. I can see every area of the pump and it does not seem to be coming from there. I have all hoses off it. I removed shroud and serpentine. The problem appears to be right below the generator I believe which is right in the way . That elbow I talked about you suggested may have cause it looks to be very corrosive from what I can see. It actually is a factory fitting from the pump supply but I can't see the other end? Does that connect to lower hose from radiator? I wonder if I remove the engine heat shroud from bottom of motor I could find the problem from below??It does not look easy. I meant to tell ya the coolant will leak out completly in a few minutes without any engine running I pour water in the resivoir and watch it pool up below the generator
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01-08-2014, 05:35 AM
Post: #12
RE: coolant problem
I plan to remove the shroud that seem's to cover the entir lower part of engine . I wonder how important that is ? do you know ? does that help engine create and keep heat to heater supply? Is it for protection due to how low these vehicles are to the ground . Limite clearance for sure. I have really had good luck with this vehicle since I purchased it in 2008, with 70,000miles. My wife has put an additional200,00 on it since then and very limited repair even after a front end accident in which I had to replace the power assist vaccum fitting to the brakes. The force she put on the brakes to avoid hitting other driver who pulled out in front of her must have blown that vac. fitting out? I had it inspected by an adjuster for any other front end engine or coolant problems and supposedly none were found. In your experience have you come to trust or dis-trust those adjusters.
PS; I wont be doing anything else until it warms up some my 3 car is difficult to keep warm right now and without the natural light it is very difficult for me to see . So no hurry on any suggestion's or reply's.
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01-08-2014, 11:03 AM
Post: #13
RE: coolant problem
The shroud or plastic covering under the engine is there for several reasons and is commonly removed for repairs. On some cars this extends up behind the front tires and once it's off you may see a whole different way to access what you are doing. In certain cases jacking the car up and removing a tire might be the way to go. This is where being familiar with the specific car helps. By all means, put it back in place when you are done. It keeps out the road splash, sticks, and small rocks that can play hell with moving parts at speed.

As for your believing everything an adjuster says: Some work on their own and some work for an insurance company. Some have automotive or body shop experience under their belt (retired from that trade?) Many only know about the new fangled computer assisted crash estimator programs. About the only thing they have in common is they have all seen many wrecks. That does not make them experts on the cause of a problem.
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01-10-2014, 03:00 PM
Post: #14
RE: coolant problem
I have found the problem with the 98 Merc sable coolant loss. It is that metal elbow that has a factory sealed hose connection and runs to water pump lower port. Very difficult to get at. Any ideas'? am I trying from the wrong approach? The coolant or water I pour in leaks out as quick as I pour it in. it is right at the bottom where the bend is in the elbow.
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01-10-2014, 07:55 PM
Post: #15
RE: coolant problem
If it's one of the smaller pipes with the last 6 inches having a crimp style deal then you need to buy the whole thing. It's a special high temp silicone hose. Once you have it in hand it may be easier to picture your approach. In some cases you may need to disconnect an engine mount and jack things up to gain room. In other cases you can work through the inside fender behind the tire. Again, not familiar enough with that car so just putting out suggestions. While we are on suggestions, at that mileage it may be a good idea to replace the water pump while things are opened up. Having the pump out of the way may also give you more room to do that hose / pipe.
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01-22-2014, 06:30 AM (This post was last modified: 01-22-2014 06:48 AM by 23anddoc.)
Post: #16
RE: coolant problem
Rupe, I thought I would let you know how things went with the sable. You were correct in your thinking. The problem was in that elbow that is factory attached to the lower radiator hose from the water pump to the radiator.
The hose is high temp. and you have to purchase from dealer @ a cost of about $200.00
It is a tough repair but only about 2.5 hours when you have the hose assembly in hand.
Problem with replacing that type of part on this vehicle with the mileage I have 260,000. The heater hoses also carry coolant and they are almost exact type and cost and good chance they will go under the new pressure.
I keep my fingers crossed for now. The car still runs great and in good condition. I figure I could not replace it for $1,000.00 and I know the vehicle is prob. better than anything I could replace it with for what I will have into the repair , even if I have to replace heater hose in the future. Just hope I get it through the rough winter we are having thus far. I don't remeber cold spells like this since I was a kid back on the farm in Wisc. back in the 60'searly 70's.
Thanks for the help Rupe It was and is much appreciated . Take care !!

(01-22-2014 06:30 AM)23anddoc Wrote:  Rupe, I thought I would let you know how things went with the sable. You were correct in your thinking. The problem was in that elbow that is factory attached to the lower radiator hose from the water pump to the radiator.
The hose is high temp. and you have to purchase from dealer @ a cost of about $200.00
It is a tough repair but only about 2.5 hours when you have the hose assembly in hand.
Problem with replacing that type of part on this vehicle with the mileage I have 260,000. The heater hoses also carry coolant and they are almost exact type and cost and good chance they will go under the new pressure.
I keep my fingers crossed for now. The car still runs great and in good condition. I figure I could not replace it for $1,000.00 and I know the vehicle is prob. better than anything I could replace it with for what I will have into the repair , even if I have to replace heater hose in the future. Just hope I get it through the rough winter we are having thus far. I don't remeber cold spells like this since I was a kid back on the farm in Wisc. back in the 60'searly 70's.
Thanks for the help Rupe It was and is much appreciated . Take care !!
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01-22-2014, 11:19 AM
Post: #17
RE: coolant problem
Glad to hear you have this resolved!

BTW, I feel for you in the cold out there. We are also having record temps with snow, although not near as bad as your area it's a doozy for this part of New England. A swing of 50 degrees within a single day is not something I have seen more than a few times in my life.
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